it appears it is trendy to be into the hardcore scene now.....discuss at will.....

Ever since I was introduced to it it has been fuckin like that, and that was years ago, just as the Straight edge thing, its all about being the fuckin SAME.

Now I'm not saying all the old NYHC groups were aiming at creating a scene like this, tho they probably weren't trying to make anything just doing what they wanted to do.

Metal was like that in the eighties, grunge in the early 90's.Goth in the late 90'sThen Nu-Metal and now Hardcore.

Every 'scene ' gets hijacked by stupid tryhards, and or the uninspired ( if they start making the music)....who cares, 'scenes' are for cocks. I hate scenes. It stinks of aloof, elitist attention seeking dicks.

Scenes get used as weapons to isolate or uninclude people and to have an exclusive clique...it should be about having like minded people to support you.
Though in saying that by only associating with those who agree with you the 'scene' will get old and boring to fucking quick. but anything in this world will be eventually ruined by power seeking,or the useless poo brain dicks.

I'm sick of this already lol

Hardcore began to get away from the wank and bullshit that was metal at the time, the poofy hair, the wanky leads... just stripping back the music to its roots... the straight up raw energy and aggression.

Unfortunately it has become inundated with the above such example of 'fashion/fruitcore' and more so in NZ with christian zealot fucks.
Ummm so a bunch of pissheads sitting round with the same tastes/ideals/interests and drinking together is different??

I dont think its about being the same, people become straightedge for different reasons and if anything 'grouping' within sXe is about solidarity... people actually get shitty and/or offended when you say you dont drink!

What sux is that once again with the christian fucks is that because they tend not to do drugs and drink is that by claiming edge its like theyre automatically cooler or some shit...

I dunno.

These shirts are being made up at the mo which I reakon are pretty sweet...

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Foreword: This should really be two posts on different threads but hey, I can't be arsed!!!

So just like 'born again christians' straight edge don't keep it to them selves they gotta try and be better, high and mighty, and then go'follow our beliefs or else'.
Straight edge fellas get all angry when you say you DO drink, its fucking stupid. What has drinking got to do with SHIT??? Are you better
than anyone who drinks because you don't drink anymore?


Solidarity? against something or people who don't give to toss's about your 'scene'? the only time straight edge comes into my mind is when some straight edge topic is raised, I'm having to much fun getting PISSED and playing HEAVY METAL on my stereo. Against people who smoke? Who do some drugs? Its all about being part of a exclusive group I fuckin bet...thats why it attracts so many kids. Just as drugs do, it makes them ( think they are ) cool.
Why not focus that energy on the corporate giants spreading the xeroxed versions of hardcore, pushing smoking onto young people, or laws that censor your music etc, not on people enjoying them selves, drinking, playing music, smoking pot or even little kids trying to fit in( to the hardcore scene)...at least they aren't doing heroin cost Kurt did it etc.

The fellas who started this I don't know what they were thinking but they may aswell build a church and preach sameness. It seems to me that they care more about what your hobbies/vices are than if your music is anygood.I think that is why it atracts the Christians.

BUT I do agree with the whole 'I'm christian so I must be straight edge' being fucking wrong. I do feel sorry for all the Straight Edgeians about that its like invasion of thje body snatchers,you can't tell who's who. The best way to tell is invite them to come beat up some pissed guy, true christians abhore violence.

*deep breath*And Jim you've just made an example of what I said, as soon as you have a scene with limited input you end up with aloof ideals, just like in everyones own head they're always right ( hahaha look who's talking lol ).


I know I'm on a tangent but hey, you brang up drinking.
and btw most of the proper metal ie death metal and so forth, were never glam at all. Yes they looked eighties but who didn't? A picture of Black Flag from the 'olden days' will look fuckin stupid aswell.

This is the same stupid arguement that happened when Nu-Metal rolled into town, purists hated it, open minded people got what they wanted from it and a legion of little kids emulated it. The kids will leave your scene as soon as something cooler comes around and then you'll say, "damn they were actually buying or records unlike these cheap old bastards who come to the gigs now"
So in general I think the whole Hardcore scene is come full cicle, it has become what it tried to get away from.Hahaha Just like USA and the Nazis eh?
Not that I'm saying Straight edge or Hardcore has anything to do with the NWO or the Thirdd Riech lol

Where to start...
Thats bullshit, I wont deny that there may well be a few people who are like that you find people in any clique that give shit to other people who they feel don't fit in... 'You listen to Drowning Pool? Oh thats not very metal dude!'
You seem to basing the majority of your arguments on what seems like one experience Rob... 'get all angry when you say you drink?' not likely... get all angry when you fall over and break my shit... maybe...

Sure, I will be the first to admit that there is a 'straight edge chip' but it's not from thinking you're better than anyone else... it sux seeing people you genuinely care about getting hurt, wasting their talents or having no direction... but hey they're happy.

Excellent point... There needs to be a whole lot more 'sticking it to the man'.

This could go back and forth for fuckin ages, and in the end its probably never going to achieve anything... you don't like hardcore and thats cool... hopefully all these frootcore kids start listening to goth so I can have a chuckle when you're having a bitch about it.

For me the edge thing is about having a distinct advantage over my adversaries... whether it be musically, in the workplace, or on the street... it's about being effective, being productive, and most importantly being healthy cos I got sick of feeling like shit.

Hardcore may have the perception of being elitelist, but back to initial point I was trying to convey is that it is no more elitest than any other specialist genre of music.

Theres always going to be people who are so passionate about what they feel that they're going to get fucked off when they see their livelyhood/lifestyle become a parody...

I imagine the older generation of hXc cunts in NZ must be well fuckin embarassed about most of it, people that had to get their asses kicked for being into it... now you can go into a store and come out "hardcore", have a choice of 50 albums instead of having to source bands by the most obscure means... but hey, shit evolves and most of those people aren't even real and like you said will jump ship when the next thing comes along...

Na bro, I saw a couple of vids( one was a hardcore band vid....the other was I think that 'Louie does whatever' program) with heaps of shit in it, and I was just blown away by the arrogance. I am not confusing pride for arrogance btw. A bit of pride is healthy.
Anyways, cracking a guy 'cos he was smoking then havin a good laugh etc. I admit that that was one of the worse things and that they may have just been an extreme few or obviuously wankers THATS what I hate not Hardcore, or non-drinkers or whatever.
Ummm thats not ME dude, thats someone who can't hold their liquor hahahaha

Its been and gone friend, Don't you remember NIN and then Marilyn Manson, and the vomit that followed. Little kids confusing Industrial/Punk stuff for Goth. But they don't like it much now, now they like 'Punk' pink shirts and all hahahaha

Refer to the old Sid Vishnu song "Blind Axe of Faith". I so want one of those shirts but it would be pointless for me to where one here because the are no Christian "hardcore" fans in Japan (praise the lord!). So (ahem), NAH-NAH, I DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THEM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuHaX1t4Nqs&search=emo

I say we throw all the emo-kids down a well and build a statue in honour of the mighty Skudder from Levin. Hands down the least emo person to grace this planet.

Am I the only one who sees a certain contradiction between these two statements.
What the fuck is fruitcore? Please please don't tell me that it's people who dress like homosexuals. Otherwise all that stuff about "a place where people can be themselves" is a bunch of fuckin balls.
Why is it any less legit for christians than non-christians? It's not like being a christian automatically means you don't drink or do drugs. Have you ever hung out with Matt Hunt for any length of time? A straight edge christian has made as much of a deliberate decisions about themselves as a non-Xtian sXe, and probably for similar reasons as most sXe (responsibility for your actions, etc).


I don't get why, if the hardcore scene "a place where people can be themselves", this whole thing even becomes an issue... you just let the kids dress in stupid fashions, laugh at them and hang out with your mates. My summary of the initial posting is, This scene isn't a place where people can be themselves the way we want them to. They are now themselves in a way we don't approve of, so we want them to stop. I agree trendy hardcore kids are fuckin ridiculous, but trying to stop them seems terribly misguided. Just wait. Some of them will "see the light", and actually become awesome hardcore folks, and the rest will get bored and find a new trend.

And why all the fuckin christian bashing. Not all christians are zealots. Some are really cool people, like Matt Hunt (remember him everytime you bash the Xtians), or Campbell Neale (Birchville Cat Motel), or many other people who believe in god, but are still really fun people who aren't pent up control freaks. Just because you've met some Xtians who are boring unpleasant zealots, doesn't mean laying into all of them is cool. I've met some boring unpleasant zealot non-Xtians in my time too, but I don't judge non-Xtians based on that either. Rob Spleen mentions a video of some hardcore band cracking a smoker in the head. Should we judge all hardcore guys on the basis of this, and a few other loser bands? You're letting a few loser Xtians spoil your perception of a group that actually has some damn rad people in it.

Well I personally think that thing Gapp posted is really badly written...
Nah its nothing against homosexuals at all... fruitcore is the whole weird 'metro' thing.... wearing girls jeans etc...
Bro at the moment the 'youth' orientated churches like Primal Youth etc are using hardcore as a recruiting method... you'd think they wouldnt want their kids wearing black and listening to heavy music but it would seem if they have positive JC messages then they are cool...

In NZ there are fundy christian hardcore bands... take this shit for example..
Or this one about the Boxing Day Tsunami...
Well FUCK THAT SHIT!!! It has no place in the NZHC community.

fuck I just posted it cos I thought it was funny more than anything... and I personally don't really get into hardcore much, generally I find it pretty generic.... I didnt mind the black flag stuff and some henry Rollins following, but I never got into bands like hatebreed.... some bands I have seen live, like throwdown I dug, but mostly, its all a rehash of something else.... thats just my opinion. alos I think I will add that for me, music is music... it doesn't need a message in it for me to love it... it doesn't need to be political or to have meaning... if it does, then cool, but that is just me, so I guess why I am not a great fan of the hardcore, i dont need to get that political based angst in my music..... I think every one that has posted here has posted some valid points, but something everyone should think about is that music is personal, which is something which makes it such a cool thing... so what if I dont like hardcore.... we can still like each other right?

those in the swamp are lucky that the scene is small and generally speaking most bands look out for each other, regardless of race, gender or genre... however, there does seem to be an issue with religion.... world history shows us that religion is probably the one thing taht causes more fighting or wars than any other issue, and I think that is kinda crazy, that one man will put his life on the line just because he fears something he doesn't understand, something that is different... and will do that passionately because he believes something else. There is an element of nazi/facist (for the lack of better words) in the hardcore scene within NZ for a long time now, and yeah I guess I am pointing at the extremists sitting in the sXe seat (making a point extrimist sXer's not the sXer's being the extrmist hardcore fans).... fuck, I remember G and Matt coming back from a series of punk rock gigs up north years ago, jarrod love was also there, and they said the sXe kids were beating everyone up that had a beer in their hands.....I heard similar stories form Welly gigs when somerset were starting out.... along time ago.... there are problems there for sure..... then more recently you got the new wave of moshers.. the martial arts styled moshing that the emo kids are into..... that has casued a few issues recently even in the swamp..... so yeah.... the extremist in any genre/group or whatever really should be taken with a grain of salt I guess. Often that is not what the general population feels..... ok here is a debate I get into occassionally since i am an "evil" genetic enigneer... there are 5% strongly for 5% strongly against and about 90% of people in the middle that dont really have a strong opinion.... I would liken most situations to be the same... where the minorities, the extremists, of any group, are the ones that are heard and not necesarilly voice the opinion of the collective....

hmmmmm dunno what else to say..... was suppossed to be humourous, but got people talking I guess and thinking... thinking is a good thing.... I am off to bed night all lol

oh I am going to an emo gig on Thursday .....

There are some Christians who are ok for sure but the whole idea of Christian ideas infiltrating the hardcore scene anywhere makes me sick. It's great to be open-minded but not to the extent that any shit can fall into our minds. If the term "fruitcore" makes people uncomfortable then the bible (that book that Christianity is fundamentally based upon therefore every word must be believed if you a sheep, oops, Christian) has far nastier things to say about homosexuality. Granted the hardcore scene is far from being perfect but I do believe that people who are truly committed to it need to take steps to keep it free of oppressive elements (Nazi boneheads,
"pro-life" Christian zealots, money hungry bastards and ripoff artists, homophobes, unreliable flakes and other such lowlifes). Basically in my experience as long as you are cool to everyone, then everyone will be cool back to you and if you set off stink bombs at gigs then you and your mates will never be welcome back again.

What are your favorite anti-Christianity hardcore songs?

Today I spun Christ On A Crutch's "Christian's Crack Diary" in honour of this thread.

I was reading another forum and found two hardcorers talking about the same thing. They kept trashing 'mallcore'. wtf is 'mallcore' Is it like fruitcore?

I haven't been in NZ for a while but judging by my experiences in the US and Canada there are chains of "Punk Boutiques" like Hot Topic and Retail Slut where you can buy your packaged "punk chic" look instead of making it yourself. They are often in stripmalls and I guess the term "mallcore" refers to the kids into this kind of stuff who would get dressed up in their gear and hang out at malls. It's basically a cash in on the trendy MTV punk/emo which is big now (and has actually stayed popular for longer than I thought it would). All the stuff is ridiculously over-priced and mass produced so I guess if you were to go to certain gigs you'd see a load of kids all wearing the same outfits.

More here, dude:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Topic